The public sentiment is mixed; while some express optimism regarding India's climate commitments, others are skeptical about the effectiveness of global climate efforts and the motivations of wealthier nations. There's a consensus for urgent action needed, yet many comments reveal disillusionment with past and current initiatives.

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Like unprecedented heat dome of over plus 40 in NW Canada? Unprecedented wild fires in Canada? Atmospheric river flooding western Canada? These were all supposed to events far in the future, and we witnessed them all over the last 5 years. Not only that, but after these events our “Liberal” government has rolled back most pro climate policies in favor of job/economy stimulus. I don’t really believe that there will be an event that will change anything. It’s always going to be least cost first. Cost of living is the crisis near and dear to the average westerner, and any thing that threatens the cost of living going up is a problem, including climate change mitigation efforts. Yes, I fully understand the paradox this presents, but the average voter in our democracy doesn’t.

squailtaint

Nope. Big climate related disasters in the Global North will just result in further backsliding. Politicians will amp up the denial, claiming they’re natural disasters, and then use them as an excuse: “we can’t possibly meet these climate targets now we have to deal with these tragedies”.
I mean, do you ever see America making progress on gun laws after a mass shooting?

Away-Meal-9313

...and by then it likely will be too late. Wheeeeeeeee

DanoPinyon

rocketstopya

The rich North is much less vulnerable to climate-related disasters, so this is not going to happen.

Economy-Fee5830

We got the rules based global trade system following the conflict of WW2.


We need a rules based system for climate instead of our ineffective trust based system. 


We won't get that unless we start treating the harm of foreign emissions as an act of aggression that needs to be reduced

Joshau-k

This is pure copium. There is no magical "people of the global south" that people of the global north can just ignore. We just ignore whatever doesn't align with the direction we want to be heading.

These disasters have already occured in the global north, as many point out in these comments, but when things become really bad we'll again divide the planet to the smart and the stupid, AKA the rich and the poor and we'll assume nothing bad will happen to us.

AnotherFuckingSheep

Exactly. I remember the very early days of COVID when combating it was a bipartisan affair. Then health authorities started to stress the way it especially impacted the poor and minorities, so conservatives decided it wasn't a problem.

Suibian_ni

On the contrary I fear that climate change becoming more expensive will just lead to even less political will to pay for solutions. And it’s not even as illogical as it seems. Public funding is limited after all. 

That’s why I always try to focus my advocacy on solutions that save money instead of spending it. Or pointing out how measures can pay for themselves in the short term. 

My biggest success so far was when the local high schools gymnasium was renovated and I managed to get a majority for also installing heat insulation at the same time. It saves like 10kg CO2 per student per year. 

That was only possible because there were grants for doing so and I was willing to make the successful application for the grant a conditional for the project to convince the conservatives to vote for it. The opposition voted against out of a principal opposition to everything we were doing even though they should have been ideologically inclined to support that. Politics can be very hard.

nv87

We dealt with it in carters administration. Some people are smarter than others. I’m afraid now the momentum is against us and this might be the moment it becomes too late to recover.

benmillstein

75,000 people died in Europe from heat related deaths in 2003(?). Not much changed. Define disaster..

I mean if half the population dies then I guess emissions will be halved. I’m not sure that’s what you meant.

Xoxrocks

Uh.... much bigger disasters would be more accurate. like multicountry crop and water failure.

HappycamperNZ

It's so sad how environmental pollution is not the biggest ecological problem anymore. Such a shame because if you fix environmental pollution, you indirectly fix climate change as well...

MukiTensei

Well we're all connected so what happens when the other countries we get our food from start to get drouts that never end or monsoons that won't stop, is a food crisis not a disaster?

JP32793

Environmentalists hoping for a major disaster to bring attention to their cause… 

Sorry guys, the 2025 Atlantic hurricane season turned out to be a fizzle. NOAA predicted above normal hurricane activity, it turned out to be below normal, just five hurricanes instead of the 6-10 predicted (7 is the norm). Despite warmer waters. No hurricane this year made landfall on the United States, for the first time in a decade.

They may have to wait a while for their big disaster, the death and destruction they’re hoping for…

Significant-Ant-2487

We will need much more serious disasters than a few forest fires, to make the public care. Currently, global food production is still rising rapidly, the world population still trundle upwards, the death rate is falling, believe it it not, not rising. 

Even the pandemic barely changed these figures. 

So we need serious apocalypse. I'm taking a million Torontonians bursting into flames on Fox News. Mass cannibalism, the purge, total war. If you have eaten anything in the past week, other than boot leather, then we have not reached sufficient doom yet.

ravenjohnt

What will it take for China to take action?

ObjectPretty

Well Phoenix is in the global north and had 113 consecutive over 100F days last year.  So hot the cactuses starting dying off as they could do their usual C4 photosynthesis trick at night. 

over 600 died of heat in Maricopa county/ year. Don’t see things changing in this car centric, AC powered city. 

BloodWorried7446

Nope, when that happens we will fall back on the easiest, cheapest energy and triple down on it as its an emergency and we will take the quick stupid answer.

Isaiah_The_Bun

The only “disasters” that will deter them is jail time or asset seizure.  A massive civilian death toll will get a few thoughts and prayers.

NearABE

I'm sorry I can't hear you over all the GPUs we're deploying for AGI.

siberianmi

They will pick the cheapest solution, seeding the atmosphere with sulphates. Bye bye blue skies. 

thetraintomars

That’s been obvious to me since the mid 1990s

AlexFromOgish

So they'll all take the slow boat back Home instead of a private jet? This whole COP30 thing is a sham.

tukker51

ahem, much of the 'Global North' has seen substantial emissions declines in the last decade. But don't let facts get in the way of your little story

AccomplishedLynx6054

Fun quiz: what % of total current emissions are from the BRICS countries? Does the West control these countries? Where will future emissions come from?

**"The COP summits have become nothing more than a global ATM, designed to extract billions from Europe's hardworking taxpayers and funnel them into endless climate handouts that deliver zero results," he told Euronews.**

**"Our so-called leaders in Brussels are committed to a suicidal green crusade while China and India laugh behind closed doors," he added.**

Hot_Preparation4777

Realistically looking like COP will just collapse due to lack of serious engagement by big players and outright hostility from Trump &amp; MAGA.

NocturneFogg

They took their big fucking ass time to realise that "climate change" is being used by india to steal industries from Europe, by china to blackmail Europe given its de facto monopoly on rare earths, by the Global South to take the Europeans' money for supposed green projects and by the US to take advantage of Europe's overregulation.

Besides, the Paladin of the Environment Greta Thumberg has been throwing cellphones in the Mediterranean left, right and center recently, while we are forced to drink from disgusting and cancerous paper straws...

Klutzy_Toe_3381

Let's just say that with fascists and warmongers rising everywhere it's hard to keep track of what part of the fire we should throw water at first.

loulan

Well the planet doesn't care about your feelings

stormhawk427

The oligarchy. Most people I know are dedicated to climate change action but the bought and paid for politicians won’t move the needle.

katatoria

I'm pretty convinced Russia is stoking anti environmental flames as their entire existence is based on all of us buying thier coal, oil and gas for generations to come.

KoBoWC

Big Oil and other groups have spent decades attacking scientists that study climate  in the way big tobacco did . 

Using cyber attacks, conspiracy theories,  stalking both online and off , ect....

FreedomsPower

Lost enthusiasm?? They can't lose something they never fucking had in the first place.

Voodoo_Masta

The rising climate momentum, and subsequent drop off remind me of that Hunter S Thompson quote about the wave:

“And that, I think, was the handle - that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of old and evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look west, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back” 

There was a brief point in time where I thought we would actually change our lifestyles and build a new resilient society. But I hadn’t yet been beaten down with the idea that the global elite will never do anything for the good of the world at the cost of their bottom line. So here we are, barreling towards doom with people slowly accepting we had a chance that isn’t there anymore.

maoterracottasoldier

I’ve said it in the past.  As the US goes, so goes the world (at least Europe).  The US elected a money-grubbing, selfish president with little care for the environment. And shocker, now other countries are following suit.

dirtdaubersdosting

Rich countries know it's going to affect the poorest people in other nations first so zero fucks are given.

anticomet

It's time to start punishing free riders. 


Foreign emissions cause immense harm and should be treated as an act of aggression if not ended in a reasonable timeframe 

Regarding the epstein files AND Climate Change: **Don't have kids, it's the only power we have in this corrupt-pedophile world** 

November 2025: You're getting it now, right? 🚩🌎👀

keyser1981

And I would agree (without reading the article). It is hard to keep people focused on making sustainable choices and doing what is best for the climate, while wars are raging with rampant destruction of people, land and buildings. 

People in developed nations say 'why bother' when other nations are building massive fossil fuel burning power plants and there hasn't been the educational drive needed to show people that China and India and other developing nations need to build these to supply us with our unending need for plastic crap and a new piece of clothing every week.

autistictranspan

Ridiculous. 2 Trillion was spent last year on the energy transition. Action against climate change is at it's peak right now.

Spider_pig448

It's hard to be enthusiastic when you view the world through the surveillance camera of your luxury bunker.

Cognoggin

Oh well. The Earth was nice while it lasted.

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DrSendy

As over half of total global emissions are now produced by the BRICS countries, there's not that much the 'rich' countries can actually do about global warming any way. The UK now produces less than 1% - what can they do? I know a lot of people will claim the "white knight" can show others how to act, but that's clearly nonsense. 

Much more important are the actions of the Chinese, who both produce the most emissions, but are also the most active in distributing affordable green technologies. No one ever mentions China in these threads.

Could be worth trying to work out ***why*** this is happening. As one comment says, a prime reason is that people have "*a million other things to worry about*".

**What things?** Well very probably, getting and securing a decent adequately paid job, access to good health care and education services, etc. Unfortunately in a good many of the 'rich countries', these things have stagnated or got worse over the last 45 years, as the decent manufacturing jobs that existed post WW2 have been automated out of existence or have moved to countries where workers get paid much less, have worse conditions and fewer rights.

Action on the above social injustices, and on climate change, **both** require government intervention and greater management of the economy (exactly as we had in WW2 and the early post war years), but very wealthy individuals &amp; the politicians they support, fight that tooth-and-nail, arguing instead for *cutting* government services (education, health, etc) and actually *blaming* 'net zero' policies and expenditure (ironic really, since they'll tell you that increasing  government-spending on nuclear bombs etc. 'creates jobs', while spending on wind turbines or healthcare, somehow doesn't  ... You couldn't make it up... and you don't have to since they do that for us!). Plus of course quite a few of these people are heavily invested in oil, gas &amp; coal, and put their money ahead of their grandchildren (and ours).

All of which adds up to a big task, and a **desperate need for a new economics**.

Gold-Loan3142

The leaders have the people haven't since they're the ones effected by it. Businesses are given and take, they'll go with what makes them money.

thinkB4WeSpeak

Brother, we have a million other things to deal with right now why are you surprised.

PbJax

Which is effectively everyone. Not many non-rich countries have the capability to do anything either. They still have enthusiasm for getting projects done and financed by someone else.

Well, apart from a few countries in Europe, who will, if they go alone, be totally screwed over and lose many jobs.

helm

Despite the size of the U.S. the world at large is significantly more important to have on board. 

It may not seem it now but the U.S. is not as important as we make it out to be on the global stage and they are just as susceptible of being ignored and forgotten as any other country in history. As such, I, too, am grateful the morons will not be in attendance and hope they do not try to crash the party unexpectedly with their own bombastic appearance on the stage to keep relevant. In 50 years when the world did what was necessary no one will remember the dead oil hounds.

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Actually good news. They will no longer be getting in the way.

NaturalCard

The less our shit-ass government is involved with foreign affairs, the better off the world will be. America needs to be quarantined until we take out the trash and, oh my god, there is a lot of trash to take out. We might be a minute

Epistemic_Chaos

On the one hand we can't obstruct, on the other hand why should they commit to something if one of the biggest polluters won't also commit to it.

KingPieIV

So interesting! I have been following COP 30 on FB - if you’re not already I highly recommend it! The Brazilians are so funny and so… Brazilian (I lived there for awhile and love them!! They make everything a fun party!). 

https://www.facebook.com/share/1A1g1dgies/?mibextid=wwXIfr

TaterTotWithBenefits

In a world with internet and webcams, we are flying and driving a bunch of people to a physical location that leveled a bunch of forest just for this event. I really don't know how anyone can believe humanity at large cares about the planet much less that we will meet any environmental goals.

GameGuy2025

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